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admeister · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: .

Fair point there Jock, I'l leave the obvious power usage thing alone. As for what makes me doubt it, I find it a little hard to believe that Gabriel would just kill his own brother like that. He didn't have any guarantee that Arthur wouldn't just let him die and use him as a replacement. Other than that, Gabriel's slightly guilty looking expression (he raises an eyebrow and his eyes dart around a little when asked about it by Arthur) after seeing Peter survive made me suspect him. Not to mention why Arthur would bother asking how Peter managed to survive if he'd done the deed himself (unless he really wanted to draw Gabriel's attention to it for some reason, why though?).

I have a screenshot to back me up. Guilty/sneaky face. Razz

My other points stand as well, of course.

Action Figure · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject:

I dont know what the argument is.

they couldnt have spelled it out more that Sylar saved Peter.

_nsb_ · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject:

Does Arthur only have the powers we have seen him take? or does he have some from before he was bed ridden? If he takes them permanently than he must have a lot more than we have seen him use.

If he had some sort of precog ability, he would have the upper hand. Did he take this from Peter? If so why would he send Hiro to get the other precog? Also he could have taken it from Angela?

Will any of these question get answered this volume? I'm not holding my breath.

stonegroove007 · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject:

IDK, Arthur seems to have it out for the precogs... they all must die....

ledlevee · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject:

Somebody mentioned Arthur taking Hiro's ability. He already has it because Peter had it and Arthur now obviously has all of the powers Peter had, and the skills to know what they are and how to use them. Now a new theory that helps explain why Arthur knows how to use his powers so well:

What if Arthur originally had intuitive aptitude, the same as Sylar in season 1? It would explain why he didn't think he had any powers in war buddies, since intuitive aptitude seems a hard power to realize you have until its revealed somehow. I also think Arthur has displayed symptoms of "the hunger" and this could explain why he's so power hungry. So what if Arthur sliced someone's skull to get the power stealing ability, and it wasn't his original ability. And Sylar is a mimic like Peter, and he got IA from Arthur earlier somehow and originally everyone thought that was his only ability. It seems a little complicated but would explain a lot I think.

In summary:
Sylar's original ability is mimic and Arthur's original ability is intuitive aptitude.

jocko7 · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject:

ACTION FIGURE WROTE:

popkorn615 · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: Re: .

jocko7 · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject:

Ok.... So everybody actually thinks Arthur is 'dumb' enough to "let Sylar" throw Peter out the window and kill him when he has explicitly ordered Peter "NOT to be killed? In addition, you think Arthur is even more stupid to pose the question, "How do you think Peter survived that fall?" You think he wouldn't know Gabriel was responsible for that?

I'm sticking to my theory.

You guys had better give me some serious kudos when that pans out to be true. LOL ! ! ! HA............... (Got to laugh a little at this.)

I'll admit it seems "obvious" that Gabriel saved Peter, which makes me soy, "What the hell is EVIL GOD COMPLEX MASTERMIND ARTHUR thinking???" He, "Orders his son brought back alive, but 'ALLOWS' Gabriel to throw him through a window for certain death." Not sure guys..... not sure...

Action Figure · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject:

The writers said he had telepathy. That apparently he was talking to Adam right before he sucked him dry.

Jock, I'm not going to argue with you. Not because I think you're right, but because it would be like arguing whether or not Nathan can fly.

jocko7 · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject:

the voice of reason · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:27 am Post subject:

Sylar clearly saved Peter. In that scene Arthur didn't tell Sylar to kill Peter, I think it was "take care of him" - I'll rewatch it. And Sylar chose to throw him out of the window - his own course of action to satisfy Arthur's demands and help Peter escape.

Arthur may not know all the abilities he has. He may need time to work out what he has if he hasn't been demonstarted them.

I'm pretty sure he has Charles Deveaux's ability too, as that is how he was able to enter into Angela's premonition

Sylar is doing what he does best, manipulating. I think he is still more strongly connected to Angela and only using Arthur until he gets the information he needs. Let's face it, he is a mommy's boy.

jocko7 · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:40 am Post subject:

TheVoiceOfReason:

You are clearly stating all of my points except for the fact that I believe Sylar did NOT save Peter. (at least, not "save" him directly from the fall. He did save him from Arthur intentionally by throwing him through the window. Arthur saved him from the fall.) He knew Arthur would do that because he knows Arthur wants Peter alive.

Otherwise, we agree on everything else in terms of Gabriel/Sylar manipulating...

P.S.
Arthur saved Peter from the fall the same way he held Gabriel in mid air while walking around talking, making gestures, etc... all without any demonstrated effort. So... For all those who say you did not see Arthur slow Peter down, you also did not see how he was keeping Gabriel in suspended mid-air while conversing with him without a care in the world.

admeister · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: .

I think I may see a hole in your reasoning, and while I don't expect I'll be able to change your mind, I'll state it anyway. We don't know that Arthur still wants Peter alive. He wanted him alive when he sent Flint, but Sylar turned up after that. He and Peter are essentially the same (both mimics), so as long as he has one of them around, I'm sure he doesn't care all that much. That said, I'm sure he'd prefer to have two mimics around, but he seemed faintly annoyed that Gabriel didn't let him die, which casts a bit of doubt on him in his mind.

Static · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:31 am Post subject:

I tend to agree with the theory that Arthur saved peter. But one possibility for Arthur wanting peter caught alive was that he wanted his abilities first lol.

One question tho.... Maybe I'm missing something..... But how was angela able to get into sylars dream in his cell when her ability was "taken" by Arthur?