I was thinking the persuasion as well until I got thinking about last season. If she could use that, then why not use it on Nathan and let NY go boom. She kept on touching him like at the window when claire jumped out. She even said you can't let this stop you. But nope he still does what he wants and is not persuaded. Perhaps if she does have it then Love really is a nullifier to all power.
Yeah, but what if she has to be in close radius for it to work? This is just an idea. Because he was going to do it, but then when he was away from her, that's when he had changed his mind! That would explain why she was always around him. But at the same time, Claire didn't do what Angela wanted her to. I'm not for sure, but there HAS to be a reason why so many people do what she tells them to, and it obviously has something to with her touching them. I'm positive that she used persuasion with Heidi, in 4MA, and she used her touch to do it.
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: Eureka?
OK, I was looking for some corroboration here, but here is my theory anyway. The very first power Peter ever exhibited (in the linear timeline) was knowing about Nathan's crash as it happened real time (Season 1, Ep 1), which is different from precognition and he wasn't working for Deveaux at the time. He tells Angela this as they are leaving the police station, but he describes it as a fraternal connection. I don't think there is a name for this power, so I'll call it "omnicognizance": the ability to know what is occurring in the present anywhere in the world. This would explain how Angela gets from A to B so fast, she already knows. It might also explain the sock-stealing, as it all happened as Peter was trying to convince Nathan to help him fly... she knew that that was one thing that could interrupt their conversation and force them to think about other things, even though she was nowhere near them at the time.
As for the arm touching/persuasion, that's just a well known psychological ploy - ask Bill Clinton, it evokes trust and compulsion and the woman is already an A-rate politician herself. And in the future, she helps him to recover memories because she knows Peter's abilities and that seeing her face would trigger the healing of those memories... at least that's what I think. Any believers?
I just have to think it is some sort of mental power, because of the way she fought Matt. Her power isn't likely to be anything near the scope of Matt's power if he was able to "take" her in their mental Kung Fu, giving her a nosebleed; especially considering she's one of the previous generation and has had the benefit of years to hone her power. Another thought I had is, what if her power is to somehow enhance other people's powers? Would this throw us back to the "Anti-Hatian" theory? Perhaps her touching everyone, could be an example of how that power could expand to being able to influence even normal humans. But she touches Peter, and right then he regains all his memories of her, and very shortly thereafter all his memories. She enhanced his healing power, perhaps, which corrected whatever it is the Hatian did? Or through her own ability to enhance/influence other metas she restored the memories or her, and the rest was just his healing catching up (the mind is pretty friggin complex). I dunno. Heck, they still haven't really told us what Kaito's friggin power was! But, going back to my "enhancer" idea, her fighting Matt could've just been the result of having helped Maury back in the day and having experience with resisting that very same power. Funny enough, said experience would've been gained while she was helping Maury to make his power stronger. She did talk about having been around Maury as his power was developing.
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Eureka?
JasonOcean wrote:
I don't think there is a name for this power, so I'll call it "omnicognizance": the ability to know what is occurring in the present anywhere in the world. This would explain how Angela gets from A to B so fast, she already knows.
Welcome to the forum (am I yet senior enough to say that?)!
I like your theory, except for one point; Angela does not know Peter is still alive. You'd think that with her omnicognizance she would.
I agree with you. I posted awhile back my similar thoughts. Omnicognizance sounds a little better though. This allows her to see what is going on elsewhere, I'm figuring she would need to know where to look though. I believe I posted my similar thoughts in saying her power could be a more advanced version of Molly's. I think I also posted something similar in discussing the Peter-Devaux moment of season 1 could have been a combination of powers (Deveaux and Angela) used by Peter.
Regarding Angela "not knowing that Peter was still alive"... I really think she knows, but did not want Nathan to know.
Think about the following:
How did Bob and Elle know what hospital to find Peter and Nathan at?
How did Angela find Peter so fast in the future?
How did Angela know about Nathan and Peter's powers?
These are unanswered questions that I think her power could help solve.
Anyhow... that's my support...
Welcome to the forum Jason
Angela Petrili does get on my nerves sometimes. I wish we knew more about her, and what makes her tick. When is she lying and when is she telling the truth? She said Peter was her favorite, but she definitely coddles Nathan more.
I like Angela a lot! It gets on my nerves that we cant figure out what her power is! At first, and pretty much all of S1, I could NOT stand her, I thought she was flat out evil! NOw, I just think she has made a lot of bad mistakes! She loves her kids tho! Here's some food for thought......Angela Petrili played on Charmed. She was Prue's boss at Buckmans, which was the Antiqueties company that Prue worked at. Not that, that has anything to do with anything.....just thought I'd mention! Also, her charachter, was not at all special, or "Charmed". She was a mortal! GO FIGURE!
I originally thought she might me some sort of power amplifier, but i changed my mind after watching her rub Heidi's arm, i then thought she was like Eden , with some sort of persuasion type power, but alas i am still dumbfounded ..........
Angela has intuitive aptitude, just like Sylar. She can understand how the abilities of others work, and she doesn't have to kill them. She could probably "absorb" their abilities if she killed them (and may have in the past), but she simply chooses not to kill people.
I'll give more support tomorrow after this episode airs.
I think Angela is like an ANTI-HATIAN, but more poweful due to experience.
Here are my points:
The Haitain decribes his power as "picking out thoughts like worms." - which he does by TOUCH. Angela could be *placing* thoughts by doing the same: TOUCH as seen with Heidi in 4MO. Where their powers would intercect is that they both need to have a limited form of telepathy so they can see/read thoughts of their victims that they intend to manipulate.
She may then be able to further retain (for herself), add to and/or enhance a person thoughts and experiences.
The idea of her being a persuader can simply stem from agreeing with her victims present state of thoughts which is read. So the victim is actually just convincing themselves and Angela is agreeing, not necessary commanding them.
So she can be considered more an an enabler than enhancer.
The Haitian also mentioned that Angela helped him as a child, maybe because she had a similiar gift.
As for "getting to point A to B but faster" Doesn't Matt (and Peter) technically need to wait for the victim to have an active thought before it can be "read". (re: Peter and Victoria Pratt). Mama Petrilli doesn't need to wait. She touches and gets everything at once. Same end result, different means. This could be why she doesn't sleep with KAITO anymore as well, as she'll get in his head....um...sorry...unintentional pun...
This would makes her similar to EDEN, MATT, and HAITIAN on different levels
Your theory could fit the facts just as well as any other I have heard so far.
I have always suspected some sort of telepathy for her... BUT if that's the case, it must not be very active, because she wasn't able to fight off Matt last week.
Who knows, maybe she allowed all that to happen with Matt. Maybe on top of everything, as she showed last year, she's a great politician and a master manipulator.
What about the this? Maybe she doesn't have a power after all? I mean Victoria was in the picture and did she have a power? If she did we didn't see it and she sure as heck didn't it use it when her life was in danger.
I dunno . . . if Peter, her son, is the "maximum potential" of the Heroes evolutionary chain, wouldn't she have to have a power? Wouldn't both the parents?
What about the this? Maybe she doesn't have a power after all? I mean Victoria was in the picture and did she have a power? If she did we didn't see it and she sure as heck didn't it use it when her life was in danger.
Have you also noticed that the only ones who still seem to use their abilities are those who are considered the bad guys? I think they all had abilities. It may be that the good ones realized they caused more trouble than harm when they used them, so they stopped.
hatcher wrote:
I'll give more support tomorrow after this episode airs.
Okay, here goes:
1. In season 1, Angela tells Peter she has known he and Nathan have special abilities longer than they have known.
2. In an interview, Cristine Rose said her ability was much like that of someone already on the show, she could just get from point A to point B faster.
3. She always seems to know how things should or will play out, as if she understands things on a higher level.
4. As those who feel she is a power amplifier have pointed out, she always seems to be able to get the best out of the abilities others have, almost as if she understands how they work better than they do...
All of these things are kind of nonspecific, so why do I think she is like Sylar? Because, right now, Sylar is exactly like her. Look how he acted with Maya last night. He pushed her in the right direction because he saw what her powers really could do (also, note how he was most effective when he touched her...). That is just his innate ability; the eating of their brains/examining them openly to actually gain their ability is an extension of what he really can do and that is see how things work. He may not be able to physically perform any of his acquired abilities, but he still can see how things work. Angela is the exact same; she can see how things work and how to optimize them to their maximum potential. She just no longer kills people and takes their powers, although I think she probably could if she wanted to. I think that is why she may have some other abilities (like the dream thing; Peter may have picked that up from her. The other option that no one has really mentioned is that he could have gained that ability from his father, too), but I definitely think it is why and how she can get the most out of people, she can figure out how they work by a simple touch.
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